I would really like for Hal and Tom to hug eachother That would make me do a fangirl squeal I think 

Ah yes Mr Rook, thank you Ziadada...wow that is grim..but good! I agree that the potential storylines with that newly introduced character and whole underground network that he exposed to us at the end of series 4 could go in many dark directions....

We were talking in another topic about past characters, I had always felt that Herrick was going to turn not kill Nancy at the end of series 3, she would have made an intriguing vampire with interesting potential motives, even felt that our new supernatural trilogy may have contained a female vampire rather than a male for a main character so I would love to see another female vampire character who has direct contact with Hal, the vampire majority in series 4 were male. Hmm... and Hopefully the return of Michaela?

Haha Michaela was quite funny in a rather odd way

I too think it would be good if Allison came back too much there left unfinished xD

I was actually suprised they brought Adam back, but I do wonder where him and Yvonne storyline would go 

Hmm Mr. Rook I get tied up in thinking what his deal is That lingering look he gave Alex when he leaves the room when you first see him either that or he can atleast sense her there..It was so eerie

Dang I want to watch season 5 now  I hate the wait ._.

-- Edited by sedatedsoul on Wednesday 27th of June 2012 11:47:51 AM

I have done a bit of a summary of the hopes and fears for Hal in series 5 from the comments here!

General Hal Hopes for Series 5

-> More back story / flashbacks and past glimpses of Lord Hal including but not limited to:

*Flashbacks to Catherine and Eleanor possibly including passionate Hal

*Strictly Hal Dancing – personally, I am hoping for some Lord Hal in 1900s Argentina on the cusp of a good to bad turn dancing the argentine tango

*More Leo and Pearl and his ‘good’ cycles

-> The Origins of ‘Lord Hal’, how he was recruited, how he became a Lord and an Old one

-> More of Hal tied to the chair.

-> More Hal Pressups->> Find out what happens to Hal when he drinks Kia Ora

-> Some romantic / sexual tension but NOT a romance between Hal and Alex or Hal and someone else

-> More of the multidimensional Hal – bad Hal/conflicted Hal/ big heart Hero Hal…

-> Hal exposed to situations that challenge him including passionate ones

-> Both forget and remember the Being Human past – move on from our losses, but Legends also deserve to be remembered, interreferential BH is important and exciting

-> No sidetracking into tangential stories as only 6 episodes and want to focus on the main character arcs

Good or Bad Hal in Series 5? (differing opinion on this one):

-> Hal having a redemption arc, possibly regaining his humanity,

-> Hal to stay good in present day and only flashbacks to evil Hal,  

-> More edgy darker Hal

-> Hal going bad in present day

Random – Bizarre hopes for series 5 (we need more for this list!)

-> A holiday or change of location?

-> Damien in a tutu (dancing)

-> Work out contests with Hal and Tom (vampire / werewolf Olympics!)

General BH hopes

(some of these come from our icebreaker questionniare)

>> More Mr Rook

>> Return of Allison, too much unfinished business

>> More Adam

>> Another major female vampire character

>> Introduction of supernatural characters but ony if it fits in with the story - wraith, changeling, or witch

UJ wrote:

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It would be interesting to see his human life just prior to his turning- wondering which of the prostitutes was his mother and as sad as it sounds, how life treated him to make him agree to become a vampire.

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Why indeed. Mitchell turned because it was offered as a way to save his men. If I recall correctly, from the Hal trailer thingy on the DVD, Hal was dying when a vampire surgeon offered him a cure for death. There's nothing like imminent death to make a person grasp for life. Was it a decision made in desperation before he could consider the consequences? Was he noticed before, hand picked for recruitment and perhaps his wound was more than a little arranged? If he was recruited on purpose, what was he up to to draw attention to himself? 

Then there's the whole 'how much is Hal, how much is vampire' issue. Was he a poor little orphan boy, just trying to get by in the world, or was he an opportunist rent boy turned mercenary, having a ball who, when offered immortality at the top of the food chain, jumped at the chance. Maybe he became more human during his dry spells (caused by the boredom of immortality? Or he simply matured?!) and is atoning for more than what he did just as a vampire. Hal said it gets worse every time he falls off the wagon. Is it because of his human nature winning through? Of course, it could just be Being Vampire.

And/or, left as a human, in the 1500s, he'd have had a short life and wouldn't have had time to atone. Facing death, he'd have known he was going straight to hell. So, he picks the vampire lifestyle so he can avoid hell and immortality would give him a chance to atone. Hey, he's dying, he's delerious and 'chooses' to ignore that whole evil aspect of Being Vampire. So he's ended up putting himself on a never ending road of redemption. He did tell Mr Snow he wants/needs to prove he can do it, rather than just have the afternoon off.

What started as a passing fancy has turned into a mini essay. Sorry!

-- Edited by UJ on Friday 27th of July 2012 10:02:26 AM

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I for one really enjoyed your mini essy though UJ, and no need to ever apologise this is a discussion forum and you just lit a million touchpapers in my head by sharing your thoughts!

A very compelling notion that Hal chose vampirism as a way of delaying hell and a chance to atone, challenging himself to consciously overcome his 'condition'.

It was Hal's Prequel where he told Leo about his choice to be turned:

"by the time I was a young man I'd seen every dark corner of the human heart, so when the army surgeon offered me eternal life in return for what little god had left me of my soul, I accepted, not because I feared death, but because I could think of nothing that deserved my loyalty any more."

which certainly fits with your suggestion! "what little god had left me of my soul" could be taken in 2 ways though, that he himself had fallen so far into depravity either through circumstance or choice. Either way, he seemed to have been a victim of his environment as a child? but he was turned as an adult, so what happened in those intervening years is very open to interpretation!