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Topic: JACK CHAT | SUSPECTS SERIES 2 EPISODE 1 | SUNDAY 21 SEPTEMBER 2014

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Damiac
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Okay. I won't let me post Whimsy.  I'll just bow out and let you guys discuss.  Have a good time. Sorry I couldn't participate. 



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Love those Jack moments where we get to see his 'charm' and wit

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I just felt all the time that Jack thinks Mick is involved somehow but he wants to use him to catch real bad guy in this case which he think is Saul

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perhaps less obvious than all the other things going on and other dynamics, but jack seems less competitive with Charlie and more confident in the role of her superior.. he lets her make the arrest, whereas before they would almost compete over it? this time, he is very laid back, almost as if he wants her too, but it is in a kind of training her up way? Which, she doesn't really need at all! Charlie is kick ass!

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Something I like about this show is that not all the people they bring in to interview are actually connected to the case.  In most cop shows, everything is so slick - the story line feels very contrived.  In Suspects it is more true to life.  The cops aren't always going to know who is connected and who isn't.  I feel that we are discovering things in real time - this is accentuated by the fact that what comes out of their mouths is so unpredictable.  And so, there are so many twists and turns, but they don't feel contrived, just REAL.



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*** 3 minutes left on this scene!! ***

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whimsy that is THE thing that is great about Suspects for me, the ultra realism and the improv - it is electric!

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They are having to pursue this from all angles to find the motive. Charlie is gaining in confidence all the time and I think Jack knows she is more than capable. His snarkiness with her in this episode is because it is personal for him and he doesn't want to confront his feelings.

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True that Rosie! ;)

Agree with you Whimsy in that, it seems more real.

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I think that he knows that Mick is guilty of something (much like he was with Hope's Dad - although he didn't kill Hope...he was still culpable). But I do also think that he isn't completely convinced that it was Saul.....there is room for doubt - it's almost like he wants it to be Saul because it vindicates his prejudice (not sure if that makes sense?)

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last thoughts on these scenes!

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I missed the Jack/Charlie competitive banter. blankstare  I attributed it to how sensitive Jack became, taking things so personal.  She had to basically walk on eggshells around him. 



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ooh interesting fifi... I am not sure I sensed him not wanting it to be Saul, more that he had a slightly unhinged obsession with it being him which he could only let go when it clearly really wasnt. But will watch with new awareness..

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Very, very good point Rosie. Jack has always being holding Charlie back a bit.



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That totally makes sense fifi. Jack and Charlie's relationship is strained all through this



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I think that he knows that Mick is guilty of something (much like he was with Hope's Dad - although he didn't kill Hope...he was still culpable). But I do also think that he isn't completely convinced that it was Saul.....there is room for doubt - it's almost like he wants it to be Saul because it vindicates his prejudice (not sure if that makes sense?)


Makes sense to me.  

I think at some point, that's how it felt to me, that after a while he wasn't 100% sure it was Saul, but he still latched onto Saul due to his prejudices, based on his personal past experience.  And also, Jack doesn't like admitting he was wrong...



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I missed it too whimsy - there was a glimpse at the end if this story....but the rest of the time they were completely at odds with each other.



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I agree with that Whimsy.



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..but it is true that as the ep progressed I sensed some level of almost gentleness for Saul too....

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moving on!



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Sorry. Anon was me.  Trying from another computer. 

 



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Scenes 24 - 31 (15 mins)

 

 

Scene 24 ( 17.23  - 17.37 )

Jack calls Martha into the main office where he and Charlie are at their desks. The laptop has been confirmed as Jonathan Moxton's and his search history shows visits to mainly gay websites. Jack speculates that maybe Jonathan was gay and the sex game was with another man.

 

Scene 25 ( 17.38  - 18.59 )

Jack tells Martha in her office that forensics have come back from Jonathan Moxton's room, 4 sets of fingerprints have been confirmed, belonging to, Jonathan, Tanya and Saul, but the 4th set of finger marks does not belong to Mick Shaw. The semen present on the sheets does not belong to Jonathan, or Saul. Jack speculates that "Saul barges into Jonathan's bedroom, found him getting busy with another guy, flipped out and attacked Jonathan."

Charlie comes in with news that forensics show the pool ball is not the weapon used in the attack, instead "The injury is more consistent with blows from a hammer."

Martha tells them that with no weapon or evidence, they have to bail Saul. Jack argues that he should not be released and is clearly not happy as he leaves the room.

 suspects2ep1-37.jpg

 

Scene 26 ( 19.00  - 19.38 )

Jack drives Saul and Sadie back to the hostel. Saul tells him again that the more he thinks about it, there was someone in there. Jack tells Sadie to make sure he takes his meds.

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Scene 27 ( 19.39  - 20.47 )

(shot of the suspects board)

Martha and Jack interview Mick (solicitor present). Jack suggests that Mick was blackmailing Jonathan about the gay websites, but wanted more money, so went to the house and tried to kill him, but Mick responds '"this isn't me mate" and tells them that Tanya Moxton is a killer and they need to be speaking to her.

 

Scene 28 ( 20.48 - 29.58 )

At the suspects board, Charlie informs Jack and Martha that Tanya Moxton was formerly known as Kim Hopkins, who "did six years for manslaughter of her partner, when she came out of prison she changed her name to Tanya and married Jonathan Moxton."

 

Scene 29 ( 20.59 -  21.15 )

Charlie informs Martha and Jack in Martha's office that Kim Hopkins was in an abusive relationship with a violent partner. was convicted for manslaughter claiming self defense, " so maybe this is history repeating itself."

(shot of the bloodstained bed / crime scene)

 

Scene 30 ( 21.16 - 21.25 )

Jack shows Martha CCTV footage of Tanya running into her car and driving away. "she's done a runner."

 

Scene 31 ( 21.26  - 21.50 )

Jack and Charlie talk about Tanya's whereabouts in the stairwell. Jack reports Tanya is not at the house and hasn't picked up her daughter from school. Charlie tells him that her car has been spotted on the M3 heading out of London,  uniform are following.

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Again throwing us with another suspect!

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Still had no clue who did it at this point.  I knew it wasn't Saul or the wife but still no clue.  It's what I love about this show.



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Rear view mirror shot!  Jack is NOT a happy camper! 



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