Whoop! congrats on being the first forumer to see and comment on Damo in KYF! It is so good to hear about Damien in the film, at all, consdiering the distinct lack of mention of his role! thank you for sharing. It sounds like you were more pleased than disappointed, which is fab
Sooo.. he does have an accent ...by 'common' I am assuming you mean cockney? This was one of thi thihgs I was questioning from the start.. we didint know this until now as there is no Ross dialogue in the trailers.
I confess that may be as much as i want to know... as it is such a minor role my fear is there will be no surprises at all about how Ross is interpreted fom book to film...but I know there may be some who want to know more about Damien in the film (and some less!) so I am with fifi about using the spoiler tags if you wish to share more!
Glad to hear he is actually in the movie too, thanks for the info of the film Whimsy! I can't wait to see it, still no signs it will arrive here but we'll see
I was more pleased than disappointed with the movie over all because Stelfox in the book made my skin crawl but in the movie he is more humorous than anything else. The humor really comes through. That's not to say that I wasn't disappointed in a few things. This is where I'll put some stuff in spoilers. PLEASE READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!
How they toned it down:
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There was lots of coke and pills and alcohol use shown, but beyond that their parties weren't outrageous. No masturbating or blowjobs or orgies. Actually there is virtually no sex/sexual references in the movie. The only time they show sex is at the end, Rebecca and the detective, and it's just a hint of it. None of the constant porn in Stelfox's head. I don't even think they said the word pornography when Parker-Hall is arrested. No sodomizing of Roger. There are a couple times they show Stelfox's computer screen with some cartoons of men having sex with his work collegues's faces pasted on. The girl in the trailer who's breasts are showing is the only nudity, besides shots of thongs showing from the really awful girl group.
Language:
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Not a single "oi" said. (which in the book seemed to be every other word uttered.) Profanity wasn't over the top.
Ross scenes:
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As I said before, Damien's character appears about 8ish times. Seemed more than 5, but less than 10. Screen time is probably less than a minute each scene. He mostly just says a few lines, like telling them in a meeting that their song isn't a hit on the radio, or conversely, telling them when something is a hit. Or stating the obvious. In one scene when they wake up from a binge, Trellick gathers them to say the firm had hired Parker-Hall. Ross turns to Stelfox, laughed hysterically and says "he's your boss!" But the funny thing about his character is he's always the one enthusiastically pulling out the baggie of drugs saying "screw it, let's just party".
To answer Rosie's question about dance moves:
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There are no dance moves. This was my biggest disappointment. As previewed in the trailer, they pretty much just show them jumping up and down en masse. The camera captures Damien howling and jumping enthusiastically twice and that's it.
One plot point that really isn't a spoiler and I thought was a good move was that Rebecca in the book blackmails Stelfox about killing Roger because she wants to marry him. But in the movie, she does it for a job. Rebecca in the movie is much more savvy/ambitious, and I liked her.
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"the result is nowhere near as gleefully deranged or faecally fixated as the original, it retains enough of the insane, sparkling awfulness to make for an entertaining movie with the power to amuse, shock and repulse – frequently in the same scene."
"The violence is bloody enough and disturbing enough to leave an impression that lingers long after the strains of ‘Beetlebum and ‘Block Rockin’Beats’ have faded."
Really glad to hear there is a strong female character in the movie.. it is gonna need it as a counterpoint to Stelfox's constant barage of misogyny (and all the rest of his prejudices!)
Liking the cultbox review. The music mentioned is all stuff which regularly comes up on my playlist! The whole review makes me wonder if this will particularly appeal to a British audience.
Thanks for the extra info whimsy! I agree with domino - I'm glad that they changed Rebecca's motivation to ambition rather than it revolving around him - that too much confirmed his own opinion of himself and women!
I am so not surprised how it's been toned down! But gutted about the dance moves. Still looking foward to seeing it tho.....
I give it 4 stars because it was better than ok, it was a good film, but I would have liked to have seen more of all the ensemble cast, especially Damo and Craig Roberts. It's an artifact of the story itself concentrating on Stelfox, but I really think shining the light on more of the awesome talent would have brought it up to Excellent IMO. Though to be honest, if you are a Nicholas Hoult fan you probably don't feel this way as much. I am not a Nicholas Hoult fan. He is a good actor, he did a good job, but it felt a bit at times like he was reading lines and going through the motions. I feel like that about him in all his roles. Like he's tryong too hard and his characters are comical rather than natural. Comical fits this movie, and all the characters were over the top on purpose, but some of the performances felt more natural and not forced. They really had a fantastic set of actors that could have beefed up the story into something really awesome.
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Awesome to see some votes in our poll for Damo's very first feature film, thanks for voting whimsy and 'anon'
So far, it looks like forumers reactions reflect the reviews - mixed! If any film was going to divide the audience it was going to be this one and I must admit, I am not sure the film as a whole will be getting 5 stars from me, but I feel much better about it after hearing Damien's interview on hoping we don't take it to seriously as the film doesn't take itself too seriously. Plus all the clips I've seen een the outrageous bits have been hilarious. So I am going into it as a cathartic thing, like an unleashing of pure debauchery and a detoxing ! Really excited to see it and hope I can keep my eyes on the screen throughout.. I am a total wuss when it comes to bloody violence.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about Stelfox / Nic Hoult whimsy, again Ive not yet seen so can't really comment yet but I do wonder how well you can connect with the characters and invest when there is so much voiceover that breaks the immersion. if that makes sense.
Hi folks! I went to see the film the other day! I thought it was just OK although it was OK too - I didn't dislike it, but it was a bit of a shame because it is a veritable cornucopia of great actors! All underused. And I didn't think it quite let you in enough to the characters. Have nasty folks, but let us get in their heads a bit more?
I have to say, the actor I enjoyed watching most in the film was definitely Ed Hogg who played the Inspector. Thought he was great: he brought personality into a generally cynical film and I always felt it became more interesting when he appeared on screen.
I saw the photo Damien posted... and I hadn't read about the film beforehand, but even from that photo and his attire, I could tell he was going to be from my neck of the woods! hahaha! It felt a bit like a mockery! Not really... (well, a bit!) I wasn't sure though... at first I thought his character was Liverpudlian, but later I wasn't sure if he was supposed to be from Manchester? He wasn't in the film that much though was he, so it might be me just not ascertaining it correctly rather than Damien not getting the accent entirely... although of course, had he wanted any additional help, I would have been happy to acquiesce.... (Actually, I'm from the Wirral so I suppose my accent would have been no use! <- ghost of sad in relation to this imaginary scenario!) Other than this, I enjoyed him in the moments he had on screen.
I did wonder afterwards how Damien might have been in the lead role here... I thought everyone was great in the film, but mostly underused, but I just wondered... I can't be alone, surely?!
I saw Kill Your Friends yesterday and I'm sad to say that I was disappointed so had to give it just the 2 stars.
I loved the book so had high hopes for the movies.
Instead of being an adaptation of the book, however the screenplay just seems to summarise he story and tries to pack all of the book in to a 1hr 40min film. For me the results are a rushed story with a lot of wasted supporting cast who are given very little to work with.
Damien actually had a lot more screen time than I expected him to get but rarely says more than one line each time. He pretty much nails the stereotype of someone from 90's britpop 'Madchester' (via Ireland - there were some slips in the accent) so I can't really fault his performance, just wished he'd had more to do. As I wished with most of the cast.
I tweeted with Tom Riley last year who promised that themes of the book had not been toned down. Maybe I expected too much with comparisons to American Psycho & Wolf of Wall Street but this was very much a watered down version of the book for my liking and just fell flat of my expectations.
Stelfox is not a character you have any sympathy for but with Nic Hoult in the role I found that I just didn't care about him at all. I wasn't offended or outraged by his behaviour & neither did I care if he succeeded or failed by the end of the film.
I can't even give even offer any insight as to what other audience members thought as I was the only person in the cinema - I'm guessing this was because it was a 3.45 screening of an 18 certificate.
A disappointing cinema trip for me.
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I did wonder afterwards how Damien might have been in the lead role here... I thought everyone was great in the film, but mostly underused, but I just wondered... I can't be alone, surely?!
Definitely not the only one, littleimpulse! I had the same thought - would have been interesting to see what Damien would've made of the role.
I'm not very good at reviewing, but here goes... I liked the film, though a fair bit of this was perhaps nostalgia for the whole Britpop thing (I did go straight to my friends' 90's indie night afterwards). The music! The clothes! The hair! - if Damien's hair had been a bit longer, I would have said he resembled Tim Burgess from the Charlatans, maybe. I wasn't expecting his character to have a Manchester accent, so that was fun.
Might have been a better film if they'd pushed the boundaries a little more, (though that is probably because of the comparisons to American Psycho and Filth) -there was plenty to hate about Stelfox but, I don't know, the trailers kept pushing the 'how far would you go' idea, and maybe I was expecting more violence?
Worth watching again though, probably on DVD so I can freeze-frame some of the scenes that went by too fast and try to see what was going on!
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Ooh, nice to see you all sharing your thoughts about the film, and thanks for voting in the poll!
littleimpulse thank you for posting your reaction to the film. I am expecting a full on Gallagher brother piss take with Damien's character, ever since we saw the hair cut I wondered ...and when he announced the mancunian accent, well... You're asking the wrong person about Damien being in the lead role..I am rather biased and think he should be lead in everything! But, my bias is based on talent, and his particular talent at nuance and conflicted characters. Stelfox is not a conflicted character at all I guess just outright psycho, which would be liberating to see Damo play!
Becca, thanks for sharing your thoughts reviews have suggested similar about the wasted supporting cast, which is a massive shame as there is so much huge talent there. Must confess I felt pretty simliar about Stelfox in the book too.. not just as an anti hero but just a total prick. But I guess that is the point - no redeeming qualities, no back story, no conflictedness. that kind of character can be magnetic to watch but it is sounding a bit like it's not. I am hoping at least for a few laughs, some of the clips we've seen from the trailers are hilarious!
Aradia, for someone not very good at reviews that was great! Glad you mention the nostalgia, and I've been wondering if it works as a 'period' film.. albeit more recent history. I was right there in the 90s so I am looking forward to the references and that has to amuse on some level... but does it work for everyone?
Noone has mentioned the thing I am most concerned about with the film and that is .. is it still funny even with the outright sexist homophobic disablist stuff? I know we're meant to see that as a satire but somehow for me in the book it wasn't satire enough.
I may have to wait for a bit to see the film so I am living vicarously through you all, thanks again or sharing!
Thanks for sharing your views guys! Interesting reading - I've read so many reviews that have been so contradictory it's hard to know what to think. But I'm finally off to see this for myself in a couple of hours! I have taken everyone's comments on board, but will obviously go with an open mind. And I'm still stupidly excited to be going to see Damo's first feature film appearance. I'll let you all know what I made of it later....
Yes, I have to admit, that while I thought everyone was good in the film (despite mostly vast limits in what they had the option of doing) I wasn't entirely sure Nicholas Hoult was suited to the role. It wasn't that there was anything wrong. It was a few days ago now that I watched the film and I'm embarrassed to say that other than Ed Hogg I have forgotten most about it. *blush*
Filth would be a good comparison I feel. Gosh I loved that film. Just caught it in the cinema before it left because I had thought I wouldn't like it. But I enjoyed it so much. McAvoy really gets into who that character is. I think you need that with this kind of role: a wild abandon and some kind of insight into who this person is, even (and especially) if who the person is is despicable! I was thinking of Trainspotting and thinking how this is so controlled compared to that, particularly in terms of character.
Kill Your Friends is definitely NOT thematically tame, but I found it a bit spiritually tame. Of course I suppose it is a great deal as it is so cynical... Not sure how to explain. But I did think it was OK. But also I appear to have forgotten it very quickly, so....
I was right in my later assumption of Mancunian for Damien then. I can only apologise that initially I thought he was Scouse. Worrying since it is where I am from but never mind! Ooops!
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Noone has mentioned the thing I am most concerned about with the film and that is .. is it still funny even with the outright sexist homophobic disablist stuff? I know we're meant to see that as a satire but somehow for me in the book it wasn't satire enough.
I may have to wait for a bit to see the film so I am living vicarously through you all, thanks again or sharing!
It is pretty (read very) sexist! But it fits the film/what it is portraying about these people/the industry, so...! But sure it is uncomfortable at times.... With the rapper, I would say it comes across as opportunist more than anything. I am already forgetting the details. I hadn't read the book. It definitely isn't PC though: none of it is! I suppose that is why people aren't mentioning it perhaps. Can't remember what the homophobic bit was...??? There is so much wrong it is hard to remember all of it, teehee! I don't think this is satire so much as showing further how they're all TRULY right peanuts..??
Incidentally my (afternoon) screening was pretty busy. Although I was the third person to sit down in the screen and a man came in after me and out of the entire (bar 3 seats) cinema decided to sit right next to me. Is it me, or is that a bit weird? That made me a bit uncomfortable! Why would you do that?! Aaaanywaaaayyyy....!!!
-- Edited by littleimpulse on Tuesday 10th of November 2015 07:29:06 PM
littleimpulse, of course I imagined Damien in the lead role. But then again, like domino, I imagine him in every role! I have no doubt he would have brought more to the role than Nicholas Hoult.
becca, I didn't like book Stelfox, so the toned down helped me like the film overall, but I knew you'd be disappointed! Makes me wonder if Tom Riley even read the book.
domino, I don't remember any homophobia. There was some sexism, but most of the depravity of Stelfox's mind did not make the film. Which contributed to the flatness of his character. But despite not being impressed with Hoult's performance, despite feeling the rest of the cast was wasted, despite no nostalgia - the 90's music scene was quite different in the U.S. - the humor came through. I giggled like crazy.
fifi, I was super excited when I went to see it It felt special, his first film! Still kicking myself for not taking a picture of his name in the credits to commemorate it. Which is just silly, but I was so exited to see his name up there with the rest of the cast in an actual real movie! I am looking forward to it hitting cinemas here to rewatch it so I can enjoy Damien's performance a bit more now that I know where he appears.
But I wont be adding this to my Damo DVD collection. His part is smallish and I just don't care for Nic Hoult very much.
-- Edited by whimsyfox on Wednesday 11th of November 2015 06:59:53 AM
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Littleimpulse, maybe the guy sat next to you because it was the next best seat? Seriously though I'd feel a bit uncomfortable too.. did you move?
No, KYF is never going to be PC, Stelfox is the ultimate unPC anti hero! Which is kind of the whole point probably. He is everything-ist in the book, sounds like they tamed that down a bit in the film. It's linberating to let go and just enjoy the ride, if it's funny and the satire works! that's what I'm driving at I think.
I can't wait to see this film and find out for myself! I am sure it'll push buttons but also know it is going to be hilarious. And it is Damien's first feature film... too exciting!!!
The DVD is deffo having a place on my shelf - for the above reason!!!