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Topic: Being Human Series 5 Episode 5 - 'No Care, All Responsibility' (spoilers!)

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Series 5 Episode 5 of 6

DURATION: 57 MINUTES

Tom falls for new hotel staff member Natasha, but she's come to the attention of Hal for seedier reasons. Alex investigates the mysterious Captain Hatch, unaware that he is evil incarnate.



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Can anyone formulate thought yet after tonight's episode?!

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Not really.

It was very intense but in hindsight not as intense as past penultimate episodes. As one review has said, it didn't have that 'oh crap (to rephrase) moment at the end.

I was affected by Hal struggling to regain some semblance of control, the paperclips and hiding underneath the table in, i think, the kitchen. And how Natasha walked straight through those paperclips felt strangely symbolic.

I didn't find the scene with the thigh feeding erotic at all. It just reeked of Hal's absolute desperation. This controlled, uptight, proper gentleman reduced to that for his fix. Of course eventually Alex would find out and a different kind of hell would break loose. That scene was so sad.

I liked how Damien portrayed his unravelling self control, like an addict craving his next fix. I think part of his appeal is that he doesn't scenery-chew. His performances are always subtle, understated and you find yourself absolutely invested in the scene, held spellbound.

I found the pub/bar scene where he locks the customers in and unleashes mayhem to be his version of the Box Tunnel Massacre. There is no coming back from that. I can't imagine that this will end well and that perhaps he will sacrifice himself for the greater good. His blood wasn't used in the original trinity and i have a feeling that theme may be revisited next week.

And if you haven't already checked out the extra scene at the Blog then you must do so, immediately. It is absolutely sheer bloody genius. I've watched it a few times, it's spellbinding. And i hope it's on the DVD.

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Perhaps because I have become so invested in Hal as a character, and so surrendered to wherever the writers will take me but I was actually not breathing properly and trembling at the end of Being Human last night, it was such an intense episode, heartbreaking and intoxicating in equal measure, it was almost like going into shock!

Not because of where the writers took Hal, more the overwhelmingly powerful experience of the character arcs unfolding and the performances. literally breathtaking.

Just when I think Being Human, and Damien's performance as Hal has reached the pinnacle of awesome and can go no higher, it bloody does.



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This episode!!! Was just wow!! I was almost in tears at several points!!

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I loved it- flaws and all.

Heartbroken the end is on the horizon.

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Simply magnificent. Sexy, scary, tragic, and that was just Hal. Damien was even more amazing than his usual amazingness.

And Tom, so sweet, and the professional vampire killer Macnair made him. Seeing him making his own blood into a weapon made me go eeek! Alex, funny and heartbroken, although, on the Halex front, I'd have preferred it if this hadn't been quite so rushed. The real emotional involvement here is Tom and Hal. Rook's increasingly messed up, on a whole new level too, and I'm going to miss Natasha.

And then there was the very end. Box Car massacre? Been there, done that. And I don't completely believe it. That may be because I was ripped out of the story by the repetitiveness. Maybe vampires are just doomed. Or maybe Hal's just running around the bar, all black eyed, scaring people, letting off steam. Then he'll see the kia-ora ...

Fair dos on Alex calling Hal on not asking for help, and I get that he was too ashamed and wanted to fix it himself, but I'm surprised Alex and Tom didn't notice how edgy Hal was. They could have said something too!

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UJ: I thought that too re Tom and Alex. They didn't notice Hal was on the edge, they didn't ask whether he was okay. Though i suspect if they had asked, he would have lied to them.

And i was shaking hard by the end of the episode. It wasn't the 'oh my God' of previous penultimate episodes but the trailers i have seen have made me wish to see the final episode (another trailer debuted in between the Family Guide episodes and...squeeeakk!)

I plan on watching again on iPlayer with my headphones in. My daughter's gerbils seem to save their wheel spinning bar chewing phases for when i'm watching my show.

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Lol, ruby, ain't that the way. I find total isolation - as near as - the only way to watch telly!

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I felt pretty shakey by the end of last nights ep too.....wasn't sure if it was just sleep deprivation, but I've watched it again and it still had the same effect.

So here are some initial thoughts/ramblings.  I've not seen any spoilers (although I may watch the ritz clip because there's so much about it posted in the 'reactions to ep5' blog on the BH site that I know what happens in it anyway) so I'm aware that you may all know things which I don't!

It's really difficult to single out specific scenes as being particularly powerful because everything just felt soooo big! But I agree, ruby, when Natasha walked in and Hal was in the corner of the kitchen it was heartbreaking, as was the scene with Alex in the bandstand.  I really love Alex....I think she's probably my favourite female BH character of all time, even compared to Daisy (who I just loved) and Kate is brilliant!

I agree that Alex and Tom really should've recognised the signs...particularly that Tom didn't notice anything when they were in the kitchen after he'd bandaged Natasha's hand. Although to be fair Alex obviously trusted him to ask for help if he needed it.

I still feel that this 'addict wanting a fix Hal' is not the same creature that we saw with Crumb....there was no suggestion of a third person lurking in the wings.....and I can't help thinking that repeating the 'he will rise' mantra between the scene of Hal walking into the bar and Hatch standing up hints that it does refer to both Hal and Hatch.  I suspect the two will combine in the next (last...sob) episode. Although I'll probably change my mind before Sunday!

One last thought for now - I wonder if Natasha actually did go through her door.....



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I loved the episode but its direction reminds me of the former trio way too much. I really hope they won't kill Hal at the end. (that's all I'm able to say about it right now because I'm still freaking out little bit :D)

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I was going to hold off watching this ep, just to stretch out the time before the series is over for good. I've even considered not watching the last ep at all. But who am I kidding. I've already seen this ep three times.

I love how the show can go from scary, to creepy, to funny, to gut-wrenching, all in the space of moments. This ep was absolutely amazing, although I agree it didn't have quite the punch of some other penultimate eps, I still thought it showed so many threads coming together. Hal, slowly unraveling and feeling himself give in to the dark side, Tom, so sweet and innocent about so many things, allowing his rage to take over and showing himself as a man who can take charge, and Alex, letting herself admit that even though she tried to hate Hal and blame him for her death, she really has feelings for him and doesn't want him dead no matter what he's done.

OK, I have to go watch it again. :)



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Pretty much thought I'd died and became a ghost after he jingled the keys (in a perfectly shadowed shot btw) and then said... "Alex". That... voice.

The analyzing here of the episode has touched upon many of the same thoughts I have as well. Glad I'm not the only one! Great read.

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No, i don't know anything for sure (I don't think anyone does, except sci fi mag writers who have seen it and the actors and BH Bods themselves). It's just speculation based on pictures, what has been said in the show themselves but mostly guesswork. I do know about a couple of cast listings, have seen a brief trailer for the last episode but that is it.



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oh yes that was a (literally) breathtaking moment Carmen, that whole scene was magnificent with so much layering, tension.

Welcome BuffieGroupie welcome thank you for jumping in and commenting! Totally agree, this was Being Human a it's finest with it's unique hallmark dramedy synergy...

I am not allowing myself to speculate and whether Hal can some back from the dark side *darth vader voice* or even *he will rise* voice (wasn't that so creepy adn chilling at the end? hide)

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I'm still in a shock and feel almost numb after Sunday, BRILLIANT is the only word I have !!! I feel trepidacious for Sunday :/

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Fair dos on Alex calling Hal on not asking for help, and I get that he was too ashamed and wanted to fix it himself, but I'm surprised Alex and Tom didn't notice how edgy Hal was. They could have said something too!


 

Actually, Alex noticed how odd Hal was acting. In the beginning of episode 5, she asks why he is acting all "squirly." However, she mistakes his odd behavior as him feeling uncomfortable due to their romantic situation (since Crumb basically brought it up).

Then when Hal kisses Alex, right away she assumes he is "on blood." She describes that he is acting all mysterious/sexy eyes and no personal space.

So that's at least TWO instances where Alex notices his behavior. However, in the first instance, she misunderstands what's going on. In the second instance, Hal is able to cover it up. 

I personally love that Alex knows Hal so well. She basically knows him better than Tom who noticed NOTHING. 

Also, she still prevented Tom from staking Hal even after she found Hal holding a dead body. Combined that before that, she saw him sucking on blood on the girl in the hotel room. 

I personally feel that Alex is in love with Hal. That's why she always protects him. I've lost count as to how many times she has saved his life in just this season. First, she prevented Lady Mary from staking him. Then she also threw away the glass of blood he was about to drink. And now she prevented Tom from staking him.

Ironically, out of Alex and Tom, she is the one who keeps giving Hal the benefit of doubt. Who keeps trying to help him and save him regardless of ANY situation. 

Tom basically attacked him without giving him a chance to explain. While Alex kept trying to ask him that if he didn't do it, then who did? 



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Thanks Domino!smileyflowers  I've been lurking for a while, but since we're so close to the end, I figured I'd better jump in and start talking before it's too late. 

I've been thinking alot...too much...about why they can't possibly kill Hal at the end of the series the way they did with Mitchell. Not just cause they don't want to do the same thing again, but the real reasons why it wouldn't make sense for the characters as they were written. 

Mitchell and Hal are completely different and deserve completely different ends. Mitchell was basically a good guy, as a human, a leader who sacrificed himself to save his men, but he was weak. Not just blood lust weak, but emotionally weak. He was always allowing himself to be controlled by others because he didn't feel he was good enough and he was totally controlled by his blood lust. The Box Tunnel Twenty was an example of him being emotionally manipulated, he was pushed into a corner, forced to try to control and rule the vampires, something he didn't want, and then they went and changed all the rules on him, so he lost it. His emotions were so out of control, we rarely even saw him have sex without killing or trying to kill the woman he was with and Mitchell was never dry for any appreciable length of time. After the massacre, he tried to hide it, as addicts will do, and you just watch him spiral downward, more and more, to a point where he would never have been able to take control back. He would have been a puppet for the bad guys for the rest of his life.

Hal, on the other hand, was probably a real jerk as a human. Although they don't actually say it, you get the impression that he was human when he was on his horse with his red shield, having people flayed for looking at him funny.  As a vampire he was sadistic and cruel and very, very much in control of himself and his emotions. Over the centuries, he was able to stop himself for long periods of time, and he said himself it wasn't any particular thing that sets it off, but more like just a decision he made to be evil again or be straight. Of course, he was also an addict. Like any addict, you can't just have a little once in a while. Hal also became secretive when he started drinking blood, he knew it was wrong, but he thought he could hide it and fix it himself.  Leo taught Hal how to trust someone enough to ask for help instead of hiding it, and he also  showed him how to become a better person.

When Hal has blood, he becomes cooler, suave and sexy and in command; Mitchell on blood was more of a mess. Mitchell had to die because he didn't want to hurt anyone, but he wouldn't have been able to stop. Hal doesn't need death as redemption because he can control himself, but he needs people around him to accept him and believe he can be good, for him to be able to do that. That's what Leo was and with Leo gone, Hal needs to just find that center again and it's very likely that that person is Alex. 



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I'm going to put this in spoiler tags because while it's just speculation, better to be safe than sorry.

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The 'He Will Rise' incantatation at the end of the episode freaked me out. It was disturbing enough while watching it, but hearing it through headphones ramps up that disturbing/eerie fact x1000

I thought Kathryn Prescott who played Natasha was fab. She was such a natural, so relaxed and had easy chemistry with the entire cast. It didn't feel forced and i think she could've slotted into that household quite easily if the situation had called for it. Liked her very much.

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Ruby - I've been speculating wildly myself....obsessively....if they can come up with an ending that I haven't already thought of I'll be well impressed!  I'd really love to read your speculation, but I need to know if it's speculation with the benefit of spoilers. Do you already know things that I don't?

I almost wish it was all over now.....I really can't bear it!



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@BuffyGroupie Very glad you took the leap! But, it will never be too late, because we will never stop talking about Hal but also because the end of Being Human is just the beginning of Damien Molony, and the forum supports all of his work!

Just to say.. i have made the deliberate decision to not post any info or spoilers on the forum for the final episode until the end of the week!

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Thanks ruby, but I've seen the trailer for this weeks ep. on tv now anyway! I don't think I could've stopped myself watching it, but I really didn't expect it to give that much away.  I was in a total state of shock, but I must admit that now I've had a chance to think about it I think I'm glad I've seen it. Although it has scrambled my brain a bit!

BuffyGroupie - I disagree about Hal as a human.  We know that he was born in a brothel, ran away to sea and joined the army.  It sounds as though he had a pretty hard time as a human.....I'm sure that it was as a vampire that he was Lord Hal who rode a horse and had peasants flayed.  We know that Hal was a willing recruit....but we don't know the circumstances - Mitchel was willing, but he wanted to save his men - maybe there was another reason why Hal accepted. 

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I still say that the devil cannot be defeated - if he exists then his demise would bring about nirvana...which surely means the end of the human world - he can only be supressed. I need to think a bit more about everything else.....

I have decided that this series is actually Hal's withdrawal induced hallucination and that series 6 will start with him coming round strapped to the chair with the house in a mess........

 

Thanks for the spoiler-free zone, domino.  Both the BH blog and twitter are a positive minefield, although having now seen the trailer I'm tempted to just read/watch everything I can lay my hands on!



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Fifi, that's true and I had forgotten about it. I guess Hal's aristocratic manner threw me off.  And I definitely agree with you that the Devil can't really ever be truly beaten.  But I still believe that Mitchell and Hal are on totally different redemptive paths and it may not be necessary for Hal to have the same end as Mitchell.

I haven't seen the trailer for next week yet. I keep trying to hold off on seeing anything to make this all last longer. But I don't actually mind being spoiled usually.

Domino, I'm glad I took the leap and started babbling, too!  Thanks for letting me add my two cents and I hope to be chatting about Damien for many years to come. 

Ruby, if that happened.....Well, I would feel the need to hide away from the uproar.



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