I think it's just clicked for me - what's not quite right with this series....
In the last series the brothel was an integral part of a lot of the stories....and everytime they went back there we saw a little bit of character development with Jackson and Susan, or with Drake and Rose. The orphanage was in more than one story too....so there was a thread. This series the only constant is H Division HQ......the stories all seem isolated, completely seperate from each other - which is making each storyline detatched from the main characters' personal development.......maybe....?
congrats on your prize Lisa! you will have to let us know what you win!
Ah yes... the scene with Reid and Jane Cobden was romantic.... I like her character, just like her real life counterpart she is no shrinking violet.
Good point Kat, now you mention it the violence in this episode was all male directed and was very ripper-esque in fact, including Jackson' non fatal neck slashing at the hand of Dugan (nasty Dugan...BOOOO!) I wouldn't be surprise if that was a direct reaction to the criticism of violence towards women.
Fight was actually quite prominent at the beginning and appeared to be included in the investigation in a similar way to Drake, the way Reid told him to tail Vincent was as if this was no big thing now as if he had been more accepted as part of the main team.
I have two questions in relation to Flight directly and
1. when Jackson discovered in his dead room that Quint (who looked uncannily like John Lennon!) had not shot himself, he shouted out of the door and I thought it was "Flight!" but then Reid appeared. who was it he actually called?
2. What exactly did Reid say to Flight the last time we saw him?
Also.... I loved how Flight said "keep your voice down" and the cuffing thing was cool and reminded me of what Abberline said about Flight's collar rate, in his introductory episode. He was a bit handy with those cuffs, he wasn't fumbling, he didn't mess anything up this episode, he is being portrayed as more and more competent but that incident in the pub didn't go as he had planned...was Reid punishing for this? (i guess that is three Qs!)
!. I thought he did!!! so that was WEIRD right?
2. Thank you! he is so rude to Flight, are we about to see his wrath? how much longer can Albert stand being treated that way?
3. The episode felt like it was trying to make Flight lokk like a failure again...but he actually wasn't and again he was instrumental to names places.... show him a little RESPECT Reid!
Yes, fifi, Yes! I think you nailed what is frustrating me. And also some of what domino said.
From the interviews I got the impression that character development would be more prominent this series, and to be fair there have been snippets of it, but that's just it. They feel like isolated snippets that aren't really carrying over/interwoven into a larger thread. I completely agree that Susan telling him to leave her alone in the bath was WAY more powerful than her telling him to leave this time. I just didn't feel the emotion this episode.
I totally love Reid's speech at the end I have to admit. He went so Mr. Darcy there. And loved Cobden's spunk. She told him under no uncertain terms how their relationship would be. I just hope there is more development in their relationship by end of Series. Just feels like we're running out of time if they are to devote the majority of screen-time to the actual cases.
I wondered if I'd heard wrong when Jackson yelled Flight!!!! I was so frustrated with the lack of acknowledgement in his role to solve the previous case and I'll probably be the only one to feel this way, but they keep portraying him as a bumbling newbie. I did not like the scene in the pub in that it was so OBVIOUS that he was watching them. It was enough that Fred would recognize him, Flight should have been more discreet. The way they filmed the shot, ANYONE could see he was watching them. Ugh! I did adore when Vincent came up to him though.
I didn't catch what Reid yelled out to him in the last scene we saw. I wonder what's going to make Flight finally blow up over his treatment.
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Thank you to all the commenters in this topic so far, and for all who have voted in the POLL (at the top of this thread)
current results:
Flight-tastic! superb episode!
20.0%
Very good, would have been better with more DC Flight
70.0%
Ok, but not enough Flight…
10.0%
it looks as if the majority of us agree there was not enough Flight and also from comments here and in last night's FLIGHT CHAT (still going on in the chatbox for those interested!) thee things were odd
1. How Flight was so conspicuous when tailing Vincent (especially as he is known to Fred Best)
2. How Jackson called for Flight when he discovered it was not a suicide - but he is then talking to Reid and no Flight
3. How Flight appeared to be more part of the team at the beginning of the episode (perhaps due to the success of his last ep undercover mission?) but Reid then dismissed him after the Vincent incident
4. How Flight totally disappeared from then on for the entire second half of the episode
Jackson did yell for Flight but i got the impression that we just didn't get to see whatever errand Jackson sent him on, I can't remember what came after that, but that's how i interpreted it. Flight was very much on the sidelines this week, emphasising his current role as junior detective aka H Division research, coffee fetching, hansom-cab ordering dogsbody.
Yes, i guess this is the inference with the Jackson calling moment Lisa, but I guess it is just frustrating!
Not sure I agree that Flight was sidelined at the beginning of the episode, my experience was that he was fully part of the team at the beginning.... allow me to present my evidence!
At the beginning, running down the stars, which is a pretty impactful entrance, with info that was acted upon
on location at the event of a crime with the others, on equal footing with Drake
as much a part of the conversation here as Drake if not more
when Reid asked him to tail one of the 2 telegraph boys long with Drake - they were given equal responsibilities
it was only after that and this moment where it reverted back to 'treat Flight like a lacky'!
What i meant about side lined was that he wasn't central to the story as he was last week.
My price from Ed Bruce at VFX arrived this afternoon (late post here, if it arrives before noon, it's early, and this is Royal Mail improving its services...but i digress...)
Hoping these upload, but here's what I received.
1) This is what i think is a set up of a scene in the museum in episode two, when Merrick talks John Goode down off the railing. I hope you can read it, it was written in pencil and taken courtesy of my phone.
2) A set of photographs from past episodes, and what looks like the cover of a newspaper again as a photo, Ed's business card with that fantastic 'phossy jaw' reveal and centre of the picture is a crew shot with Jerome, Matthew and Damien in the far right hand side. I've spent ages poring over them.
Also using my laptop case as a backdrop, sitting on my bed, apologies for quality and the fact you can see my knee in the bottom left hand corner...
Ah, I get you about Flight being sidelined, but we always knew ep 4 was his big one and i felt he was more central to the storyline here than he was say in episode 3, despite not being in it for the last half?
Every time I watch the experience just gets richer. There is a scene in this episode which has always interested me in terms of something Flight does. The body of one of the boys is on the slab in Jackson's dead room and as Flight is leaving the room he looks really pointedly at the body. Flight hasn't really paid that much attention to any of the previous corpses in other episodes so I wonder what it is that makes Flight pay attention to this one.
you will have to let us know what you win! 
and I just know another facet of Flight will appear to me again... 
